Can Fallone Beat Roggensack?
Pat Roggensack leads the Supreme Court's conservative bloc and may be its most powerful justice. Ed Fallone blames a "dysfunctional court" on her.
“Terribly Ambitious”
To Scholz, the election “boils down to one word: experience.” The campaign released a very effective ad touting Roggensack’s 17 years experience presiding over 550 Supreme Court cases and 2,400 appellate cases. Fallone, by contrast, has never been a judge.
There is a certain irony to this, as Roggensack, 72, first ran for Supreme Court (and lost) in 1995 as a mere lawyer, promising she would bring the perspective of “the people” and not judges to the court.
Roggensack came to the law in a roundabout way. A native of Joliet, Ill., she had a steelworker father and a schoolteacher mother. Roggensack got her undergraduate degree in biology from Drake University in 1962 and worked for years as a research associate. She married a doctor and was far removed from the world of law, but she recalls, “I got to know lawyers in a social setting, and the things they did sounded very interesting.”
Then living in Madison, Roggensack took a constitutional law class and found it fascinating. She enrolled in the University of Wisconsin Law School in 1977. At the time she was raising three children, and from 8 p.m. to midnight she would hit the books, her daughter Ellen Brostrom recalled to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel in 2009. “My mom is incredibly organized and can go on forever with a limited amount of sleep.” Bostrom herself is now a judge, making the two the first mother and daughter to serve on the bench in Wisconsin history.
Even among fellow law students like future Attorney General Lautenschlager, future congressman and Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, and future Senate Majority Leader Chuck Chvala, Roggensack stood out, says a classmate who asked to remain anonymous: “She was terribly ambitious.”
Roggensack worked for 16 years as a private attorney, becoming a partner with DeWitt, Ross & Stevens, before running successfully in 1996 for the state Court of Appeals, once again as a non-judge for a position more commonly won by circuit court judges. After seven years in this position, she ran again for the high court and won. Yet even today she seems drawn to those who took an unorthodox road to power. When asked to name her favorite U.S. Supreme Court Justice, she chooses Robert Jackson (who served from 1941-1954), noting, “He was the last justice without a law degree. He can turn a phrase like nobody.”
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Bruce says the issues could hardly be bigger after a column that does not mention the glaring, Grand Canyon-like gap between the credentials of the two candidates.
Bruce somehow thinks Justice Roggensack’s recusal is the biggest issue. That is silly.
Well, since Bruce would probably like to break the conservative majority, I doubt he has much interest in pointing out the credentials of both candidates. He can make the case for Fallone simply by tying Roggensack to the Prosser-Bradley incident and letting that bring back all the emotions of Act 10 and the protests.
Aren’t we straining at gnats and ignoring the elephant? This big deal over a “he said, she said” squabble vs. an unqualified candidate with poor judgment: http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/court-candidate-ed-fallone-stood-by-latino-centers-exgang-leader-9292oon-197708431.html
The first step to resolving any problem is to recognize that there is a problem. The Wisconsin Supreme Court used to have a reputation for integrity. People could disagree with the substance of the decisions that were made, but at least they did not believe that the decisions were for sale. Judge Geske certainly has a widespread and deserved reputation for integrity. Her opinion is that “people are losing faith in the system.” That is a major problem which Justice Roggensack prefers to ignore. That, in and of itself, is reason enough to elect Fallone to the high court. Presumably being a professor of Law at Marquette University establishes that Fallone has a good grasp of issues that might come before the Court, and his background and community service would add a much needed different perspective. Time for a change.
To George and Kyle: you’re free to characterize me anyway you like but the story does in a couple places note Fallone’s lack of experience relative to Roggensack. To wit:
To Scholz, the election “boils down to one word: experience.” The campaign released a very effective ad touting Roggensack’s 17 years experience presiding over 550 Supreme Court cases and 2,400 appellate cases. Fallone, by contrast, has never been a judge.
Bruce, I apologize for my quick characterization of your story. I missed the additional tabs and based my characterization on the first page, which is almost entirely devoted to the Prosser incident.
George Mitchell, what is silly is your apparent belief that people don’t know who you are. Are you getting paid to opine in this comment section? Give them their money back (or is it more of an in kind contribution? Then give us our court back.)
I bet putting a pointless referendum on the ballot would increase the liberal voter turnout in Milwaukee. Let’s see if this ends up influencing the outcome.
Okay, having taken another moment to read through everything you’ve written, you do mention the credentials. The weight you give the credentials is miniscule, but they are mentioned. I still think your story is slanted so much that it could be posted on Fallone’s campaign page.
A platform based on fixing dysfunction is pretty hollow. It would be different if Fallone could demonstrate a history as a collaborator or someone who brought divergent interests together. He’s not Geske, who is very skilled at that. OTOH a debate about judicial decision making (Fallone has written very clearly on this) would turn off even more of the public.
Interesting to note that the sheriff and special prosecutor found no evidence of any wrong doing by anyone. Also out fact that Bradley charge Prosser and Prosser put up his hand to stop her from attacking him. Should he have stopped her by putting up hands to her boobs?
Franklin Gimble is a partisan democrat, you might mention that.
Matt’s comments about George Mitchell trouble me. Rather than reacting to George’s comment, he takes the easy route by attacking the messenger. I sometimes agree with George and sometimes disagree, but always find him interesting and knowledgeable.
But that brings up the thing that most troubles me about Roggensack: she seems unable to make the thought experiment that asks, “if the parties were reversed but the issues were the same, would I vote the same way?” If the special prosecutor had decided the evidence supported charges against Bradley rather than Prosser would she still have scuttled the investigation by recusing herself?
Likewise if Doyle and the Democrats had passed significant legislation without sufficient legal notice, would she have still voted to uphold the legislature on the grounds it had effectively voted to change the law? Likewise, if a law passed by Democrats was blocked by a circuit judge would she have voted to overrule the injunction without waiting for a published opinion or hearing from the court of appeals?
Obviously we will never know the answer to each of these hypotheticals, but I believe the weight of the evidence says the probable answer is no.
I have never heard a judge discuss things in that manner, they do not discuss cases in the future or past.
Interesting to see Peg Lautenschlager, the town drunk, comment on how Prosser’s actions should get him fired.
So sweet……………………He remembered “the warmth on the side of Justice Bradley’s neck in his hands.”
How did Justice Bradley get to where Prosser was and in what mood was she? the investigators report said that she was yelling at him to get out of her office and some Justice’s said that she had her fist raised in a threatening manner and some did not. Anyway you call it it was an assault on Prosser. he should have pushed her away in the chest I guess just like if it had been Gableman coming at him.
Any way is is well established that Roggensack got between them to make peace.
I doubt he (Bruce) has much interest in pointing out the credentials of both candidates.
OMG….. credentials, credentials, credentials. Sounds like a “talking point” to me.
Let’s start with George Bush II (drank his way through college, failed in the oil business, and used his father’s name to get into the baseball business) or Paul Ryan compared to Paul Krugman on economics.
By the way, Newton had no “credentials” when he discovered gravity.
Stacy, I suggest you put exactly that on a cover letter next time you apply for a job. Why on earth should you have to be qualified for a job? Experience and education are just “talking points”!
I’m not going to go the other direction and suggest that youth or new ideas don’t have their place. Everyone has to start somewhere. My issue is that Roggensack is being attacked for the actions of two coworkers, and on her judicial stances. I don’t see any insight regarding any staff conflicts at Marquette Law, or any critique of stances Fallone has ever taken. I’m not a big fan of judges on the highest court having never been a judge before. I’m willing to work past that, but ignoring it in favor of several pages on an incident involving two different people not up for reelection doesn’t do anything to address my concerns.
Roggensack didn’t put her hands on Bradley’s neck, nor did she charge at Prosser, so I’m not inclined to hold that against her. That brings my choice down to an experienced judge versus a law professor at a Jesuit university.
For anyone reading this who would like to know a little bit more about Ed Fallone and his opinions, please check out his own writings:
http://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/author/edward-fallone/
He even quotes Orwell, which should make Ed happy (if he’s still reading comments on this site).
I have and guess what? He is a left wing University professor backed by the left wingers in Wisconsin. Your choice.
Oh, I know. But that isn’t the impression you’d get reading this article. I just figured I’d point people to the best information available to guess what his real views are.
If experience is a factor – consider that Prosser had 0.0 experience as a judge. Fallone is eminently more qualified than Prosser was when he was elected.
Eminently: To a high degree: Very (from Merriam-Webster.com)
Prosser had some experience in a law office, but more as a legistlator. Fallone ‘also practices law’ but spends more time as a professor. (None the the bios I found would say how much or how long he’s practiced.) So as far as I can tell, Paul, your claim is that professors, by nature, are far more qualified at anything than politicians.
If I lived and voted in Wisconsin when Prosser was appointed in 1998, I wouldn’t have liked his lack of judicial experience. Ditto for when he was elected in 2001 (depending on who ran against him – I haven’t checked). By 2011, he’d had 13 years on the bench to judge, versus Kloppenburg’s career (not that any of that played a role in that particular race).
Maybe the deeper issue is that too many Wisconsin Supreme Court candidates don’t have any judicial experience before they’re appointed or elected the first time. Experience is a factor, but it’s not the only factor. Another factor is a candidate that claims (from his own website) “We need Justices that have the courage to be independent in the face of political pressure …” but who blogs regularly about the ACA and Act 10.
Let us see, you are more qualified to be a judge if you read about the law then if you make it. Do not think so.
Dohnal, you forget to add eminently. You are eminently more qualified to be a judge if you read about the law than if you make it.
I’m glad I could clear that up for you.
Go Fallone. Fallone should win. Last fall WI carried obama and senator baldwin by a large margin. WI is distancing itself from anyone tied to Walker. If Fallone wins, I think the governor job is wide open in 2014.
Fallone should win on what basis, andy? Is it his lack of experience?