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Koch Agenda Wants No Federal Funds for Walking, Biking, Transit
All federal transportation dollars should go for auto transportation, Koch-funded groups demand. They've also opposed streetcars in cities like Milwaukee.
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All federal transportation dollars should go for auto transportation, Koch-funded groups demand. They've also opposed streetcars in cities like Milwaukee. Back to the full article.
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We need both cars and alternatives. I rely on both. My car is broken down so I walk a mile to the station and take the train to work until I can get it fixed. We as a nation need every option for transportation. We can afford them. We are rich. It just needs leadership.
I have no interest in or respect for divisive politics on any side. We must work together.
Posting pictures that make a guy look like Leonard Lawrence when he was about to shoot the drill instructor don’t foster genial discussion. I suppose looking like that in the first place doesn’t help either.
Who will take the first step?
I don’t drive, so I depend on riding a bicycle to get around the area. I’m opposed to the streetcar because the infrastructure all has to be built from scratch, and the proposed lines won’t go far beyond the downtown area, and redundanly along the same routes as the established bus transit system. The bike share system is by far cheaper to implement, expand and maintain than the steetcars. I think the money spent ought to go toward more bike infrastructure, and the buses.
That dude looks like a straight up Bond henchman.
I have to question how seriously the Koch groups are about supporting the streetcar if they continue to leave up that link to a purported right to work petition. Their strategy makes no sense to me.
These are all local decisions, the money needs to go for our beatup highways, our country runs by truck. I ride thousand miles per year, taught bike racing, my family won 27 state championships but Wisconsin is never going to see huge biking to work cause of roads and weather. Look at what happened in Sheboygan county with 28 million dollars for this stuff. Nothing.
Hilgemann was UW football player, great guy. Damn smart.
WCD, people are driving less every year in this country. That’s a fact. So doesn’t it make sense to not pour every single dollar into roads? And again, no matter how many times you insist otherwise, Sheboygan saw positive results. Unless you are saying that improving safety and health is meaningless. I doubt that’s what you’re saying.
PMD, I feel like any defense of the Sheboygan results should require the disclaimer that despite the massive percentage increase, we’re talking about less than 100 people.
And another disclaimer is that a marketing campaign has only recently been implemented, so it’s too early to judge its success. I just don’t think it’s fair to say that it’s been a failure with no positive results whatsoever.
I’m actually a fan of recreational trails, but I just find the numbers of this particularly initiative to be laughably low. To have your biking 3-year average lower than your baseline year after 7 years isn’t good, even if you are about to start a media campaign. And the 85% increase in walkers is 68 people annually.
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/bicycle_pedestrian/ntpp/2014_report/page03.cfm
And in the spirit of nitpicking, you should probably start hedging your “people are driving less every year” bit. 2014 saw a fairly significant increase in total vehicle miles in the US (and even an increase in the population adjusted version).
http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/DOT-Miles-Traveled.php
I agree the biking trails are great, heavily used. Riding on busy streets with out pushing safety, strobe lights, brilliant clothes is suicide. especially in this wether. during summer how many people can come to work sweating, and in suits etc.??/
Because total miles are up, does that automatically mean more people are driving, or just that those driving drove more miles? Plus, even if more people did drive in 2014, the trend over a longer period of time is less driving. Just Google something like “Americans driving less” and you’ll see a ton of stories about this.
I can google “Obama birth certificate” and get a long list of results too. And total miles doesn’t automatically mean more people are driving, but in 2014, the per capita miles travelled was up. Besides, when it comes to highway planning, total miles matters more for system capacity than per capita miles anyway. Not that this should be the only supported mode of transportation, but we’re only down 1.24% of total miles from the pre-recession peak, with 50 billion more miles annually than measured in mid-2013.
Here’s more:
http://usa.streetsblog.org/2014/05/28/while-the-economy-grows-americans-continue-to-drive-less/
http://www.citylab.com/commute/2013/05/planning-our-transportation-future-millennials-mind/5575/
Ha that is true Kyle. I shared some links.
Also, Millenials are driving way less than previous generations, and they are getting a driver’s license at rates far less than previous generations. They profess a strong desire for public transportation and driving alternatives. So I think it’s a trend that could continue for a very long time.
Is it so wrong to invest in trails and public transportation to ENCOURAGE people to ride bikes and save gas? Higher densities, healthier lifestyles, less pollution, less dependent on fossil fuels, more social interaction, saving of wetlands, etc. Sounds like reason enough to invest in alternative modes of transportation. AND no, this will not force people out of their cars and onto a bus. Its a common sense balanced approach.
I don’t know that you can strictly infer that long term patterns will shift as much as you think, PMD. A large contribution to the decline in miles driven by Millenials is the fact that young people are employed at a dramatically lower rate than their predecessors. No job, no car. So while drivrs license carrying high school seniors may be down by 10-15 percent? That may largely be due to the fact that something like 30% more do not have a job.
Once the millenials begin to earn a living, things may change more towards the norm than many in the anti-auto crowd are hoping for.
*I’m just pulling these numbers from memory, so consider them estimates at best.
For what it’s worth, I agree with the generational trends that more individuals will drive less. I just don’t think the total miles traveled will go down much. Grocery delivery services and Amazon’s same day delivery (and probably a dozen services I haven’t even heard of yet) will raise to take the place of individual trips to closer destinations. Those services, which cater specifically to people to who don’t drive much, will continue to rely on the freeway system to deliver goods.
David, thanks for the laugh. I hadn’t thought of all the advantages of the higher population densities in Sheboygan County. I’ll have to look up exactly where this trail was built so I can better understand just how many dozens of people’s lives have been improved (even if they haven’t all realized it yet).
Was he speaking generally or Kyle or specifically about Sheboygan County?
That is possible AG, and we could find out soon if the economy keeps improving. And I for one am not anti-auto. Believing in investments in walking/biking/transit doesn’t make one a hater of automobiles.
David, under that reasoning let us try building scooter trails, maybe some glider trails, those lines that you can ride over hed from the top to the highest church out to Mayfair. When there obviously is not a big demand you want the city to go out spend millions while the crime rates is in top ten, MPS cannot teach kids to read and the streets are going to hell. What sense does that make.?
With crime the way it is in inner city you think peopel will walk through there or ride bikes?
The Koch brother overlords have spoken. All Bob’s must obey their decisions.
Observer is there any limit to your stupidity?
BD, the bar keeps getting lowered.
I know it’s completely off topic, but I really want to hear how Observer justifies his all Bob’s obeying the Koch brother overlords stance without resorting to base racial stereotypes.
PMD, I’m sure he was talking about the overall benefits and not specifically Sheboygan County. It just arrived when we’d been focusing on a particular project where the key argument is that the population density doesn’t justify the cost on its own. I was mostly laughing at the incongruence. I could have attacked some of his benefits of public transportation had I wanted to take his point seriously. The forced social interactions of the MCTS are one of the three reasons I no longer ride the bus.
What are the other two?
Kyle – Change in driving behavior will decrease highway capacity needs, even if total miles increases.
Consider this: Most highways are designed for the peak rush hour capacity, with near empty highways in between. If less people are driving more miles, especially at off-peak times, the need for the extra highway lanes will decreases.
WCD You’re right, it’s necessary to go out on a bike with lights and bright reflective clothing on the streets at night. Just like it’s necessary to have working headlights and taillights when driving your car. As for riding to work in the summer, I would ride in one set of clothes, carrying my work clothes in my panniers, along with baby wipes and deodorant and change into clean clothes when I arrive at work. I would also pack rain gear in case of wet weather. It could be possible that a workplace might provide showers for those who bike commute, but I don’t expect that.
PMD – Primarily it was time. Driving instead of taking the bus gets me an extra hour with my kids every work day. Second, though somewhat related, was the inconsistency of the ride. I arrived motion sick and nauseated more times than not, which eliminated my ability to make use of my time of the bus. I loved it when I had a good driver, but that was the exception, not the rule. Third, and a fair deal behind the first two, was the other people. One person clipped their nails for 30 mintues once a week. And nothing makes motion sickness better than 60 minutes of hearing how great the Lord is (or how awful the Governor is).
Michael – I’ll concede that it’s a complex relationship between capacity needs and miles driven. If only we had an agency, like a department of transportation, to study the relationship, project the needs, and plan for addressing those needs…. Oh, wait…
Jaime – You’re right that there are lots of ways to accommodate biking to work, but it helps if your employer is supportive. The availability of showers, or at the very least a place to change, would go a long way toward making it seem like a viable option. Not everyone considers the handicap stall to be a reasonable place to dress for the day.
Kyle, I’ll try not to bring race into this (????). Our two Bob’s are Dornan and Donovan. Here’s the Koch overlords webpage that includes their agenda in their own words. Feel free to point out where the Bob’s disagree. http://americansforprosperity.org/
I didn’t realize that “All Bob’s” would be reduced down to two that quickly. I assumed there were more than two. Like Bob Bauman. Or maybe Bob Barker. My point on race was that I didn’t think you could lump every single Bob into a group without assuming that they’re all old white men, because any self respecting Robert outside that group would go by a different name. I did not consider that All Bobs was a group of two. My mistake.
Also, how is Bob Dornan “our” Bob? I thought if you were going to limit it to two, you’d at least have included Bob Dohnal of the Wisconsin Conservative Digest.
it is interesting to hear the white liberal racists talk about Conservatives and racism. In my case I have volunteered to work in inner city for 20 years, working nursing homes where half the staff was minority. they hug you, cll you dear, sweetheart all day long and have apts. look like UN and have campaigned for 30 years to bust up MPS, run by the Left that destroy more kids every year. I have encouraed Kooyenga and Dalring on this program casue the Left is very happy to keep Blacks and Hispanics in bondage.
Thank you for pointing out my non-Freudian mistake. Of course I meant Bob Dohnal. I’m not aware of any other Bob’s taking part of Urban Milwaukee hence the lumping of all things Bob.