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Thanks Jeramey, I haven’t seen any other good source that’s been able to give details on what the sticking points were.
Ditto. Appreciate the detailed overview of the situation. The impact is so significant.
How long until the “Walker Goon Squad” shows up, starts cracking union heads and the union members are the only ones arrested? When Slimy Scotty breaks things, he wants them to stay broken. I know the Koch brothers will be sporting enormous erections when they watch the video of the union members being beaten down.
As someone who does normally take the bus to work, this is more than annoying. I’m lucky that my wife can easily drop me off without much effect on either of our schedules; most riders of MCTS don’t have that option.
Hopefully my wife has all her support staff because about half rely on the bus as their main form of transportation.
I don’t know if the bus drivers’ union realize that their strike hurts their natural base of support (riders), but if they can tell us to go screw ourselves, I’d rather see MCTS bring in the scabs.
With all the investment in bike infrastructure hopefully more people will be riding to work and discover how easy it can be to get around town on two wheels.
I used to ride the bus to work until I realized that rather than an almost hour bus commute I could ride to work in about 20 minutes and also had much mor flexibility.
I think Walker won’t do anything about this strike. While he hates unions, he (and the Koch brothers) also hate transit. So I predict he lets the strike run its course (while blasting both unions and transit), while perhaps reducing state funding to MCTS (fewer operating days means fewer state dollars).
I don’t know what Walker would have done if this had happened while he was County Executive.
Hey Jeramey, MCTS has laid out their offer on their website in a nice bullet point list and chart. http://www.ridemcts.com/about-us/news/mcts-offers-contract-proposal-to-drivers-who-have-threatened-to-strike
More and more I go to UrbanMilwaukee for real reporting on serious political/financial topics. The reporters at JS either don’t understand the details or have been instructed to concentrate on human interest angles. Commercial radio is full of right wing screeds.
Thanks for the first comprehensive reporting on this issue.
What good is the Mayor, County Executive, and Govenor that can not manage the responsibilities that come with the office.
These three elected officials can muster up taxpayer funding, give away land value at 9 million dollars, and legislate special state financing packages to entice billionaires to built a new indoor basketball court for millionaire ballers, but they have no interest in the transit system union that provides 250,000 rides a day, concerns about day to day work conditions, an increase in pay to keep pace with inflation and protection of their health and union pensions.
This month “Wisconsin Shame Award,” as usual goes to Mayor Tom Barrett, County Supervisor Chris Abele, and Governor Scott Walker who once again prove they do not care two cents about the residents of the City and County of Milwaukee.
The union president seems to be quite a volatile person, and possibly uninformed of just who he is negotiating with. That said, I have less to lose than many riders, as plan B is biking or begging a ride. I support the drivers, even while I have envied their pay and benefits. Look what has happened to teachers. The job can be difficult- drivers have little control over what equipment, routes, and hours of work. The public has harassed them and attacked them time and again .Competing with busy traffic and maintaining a meticulous schedule is challenging to say the least. Lets put pressure toward increased funding to the state, and preserve the fine legacy this company has provided. The cuts keep coming, and we are left snapping at each other here at ground level. Think of the horror many motorists have at the prospect of using the busses. Many of us do every day, and we are quite aware of annoyances we all face- and the hope for improvements, as opposed to cuts.
Incredible. I actually started this article thinking I might find some reason to sympathize with the union but this is just nuts. Why people? Don’t you realize what a joke this is? How dumb are these union members?
While i’m often in support of people that strike, this one bothers me…a lot.
First, the timing. Come on, July 3rd is probably the busiest day for the bus service. I am sire that was part of their plan, but striking now os a good way to make enemies, not draw attention to your plight.
Second, i cant help but compare the Bus drivers to other professions. Lets take paramedics for instance. The average paramedic earns $48,000. But requires far more training than a bus driver. Often works in unsafe conditions. They may or may not get a break during their shift. Due to rules strictly for emergency workers they can be forced to work overtime, even if they dont want it. Pension? If they work for a larger fire department, sure. But private service paramedics may or may not have any kind of retirement plan. 20 and out? Yeah….no.
23.00 bucks an hour to drive a bus, with full pension? Jesus, sign me up.
Not sure why folks keep name dropping politicians in the comments here. This is a negotiation between a non-profit organization and a union – both third sector organizations, not public. I really want to side with the drivers on this one, having used MCTS for so many years, but I cannot. I am fearful to be on the roads as a pedestrian, biker, or driver after 5pm during this thing, we already have too many drunk drivers, I see many more after Summerfest. Perhaps the County will set up DWI checkpoints and recover some lost revenue that way at least.
I once found a copy of the 2007-2010 MCTS contract on the web (it has since been taken down). There are numerous provisions whereby drivers are paid for hours not actually worked (for example, a 6-hour shift is always paid at 8 hours).
Since transit work doesn’t neatly break into 8-hour chunks, I think there is probably a lot of hours paid but not actually worked. Also, there is a lot of instances where drivers are paid overtime (time-and-one-half) even though they don’t work more than 40 hours (weekend work, for example).
I think the bathroom break issue is a smokescreen for the part-time worker issue because part-timers would reduce overtime paid out.
As I understand it, drivers are assigned “runs” which consist of “pieces” (a continuous period on one bus route) and/or “trippers” (once-a-day run to a school, for example).
Drivers can be assigned up to two pieces (or one piece and one tripper) a day. One piece/tripper can be in the morning and other at night (the dreaded “split shift), but there are limits as to how many hours the two parts can be split (Contract Section 13.048) and how many drivers get split shifts (§13.049).
Here are some highlights from that contract:
• No run will pay less than 8 hours (§13.046)
• Any single piece of 6 hours or more combined with a tripper shall be paid at least 8 hours. If there is no tripper available, the 6-hour piece is paid 8 hours. (§13.407)
• Drivers can be assigned 3 pieces, but the shortest gap between two of those pieces must be paid and those two pieces treated as a single piece. (§13.051)
• Trippers that are part of runs must pay a minimum of 2 hours (§13.053)
• If the time not worked between pieces is 60 minutes or less, it must be paid. (§13.054)
• “Extra” work (like covering for a sick driver after your shift ends) is paid as overtime (even if you didn’t actually work 8 hours that day). (§13.058f)
• Miller Park drivers are paid from the time service begins before the game until the fans are taken home after the game. (They get paid during the game(s) while sitting their buses, even if it’s a doubleheader.) And, of course, all this Miller Park time is “extra” and therefore paid at time-and-a-half. (§13.058g)
• If a driver’s run is a split shift spanning more than 10 hours (eg 4 hours on, 2.5 hours off, and 4 hours on again), anything beyond 10 hours is treated as overtime and paid at time-and-a-half. All work on Saturday, Sunday, and holidays is paid at time-and-a-half (§13.074d)
• First-year drivers are guaranteed 30 hours of pay per week. Second-year 35 hours. Third year and beyond are guaranteed 40 hours of pay per week. (§13.126)
Stuff like this is why union busting Koch whores like Scott Walker get elected lowing the wages and benefits for all workers. Way to go ATU local 998. You might want to fire the head of your union but, apparently, you just reelected him. Also, look into someone who knows something about PR.
” I support the drivers, even while I have envied their pay and benefits”
“The job can be difficult- drivers have little control over what equipment, routes, and hours of work. The public has harassed them and attacked them time and again .Competing with busy traffic and maintaining a meticulous schedule is challenging to say the least. ”
$63k a year PLUS great benefits and unsurprisingly the unions wants more tax payer money. So sad. So predictable. I do like the poster above sympathy for the drivers though. Cant pick the routes to drive (the horror!) competing with busy traffic (increase wages now!) maintaining a schedule (My word!!!!). Man…. here I thought being a bus driver was easy, (sarcasm)
Not sure why you are stating that MTS is a private organization. This is no longer accurate. They have officially been converted to an “instrumentality” of the County. It’s still an awkward pseudo-private group with a lot of gray areas, but the command structure is now extremely clear with MTS reporting to the director of County DOT (Brian Dranzik), and then to Abele.
Also, James Martin is most definitely involved in management of MTS and has been getting more involved throughout 2015. I have no doubt in the Union’s statement that he is a key player in negotiations.
Jeramey, finally a fact filled non-biased article. Keep up the great work
I have ridden MCTS for over 30 years. I fully support the bus drivers union. I have seen alot of situations on the bus over the years and am grateful for the bus drivers. Often times they have to deal with difficult situations.
Come on people! Have some empathy. By the way, the $63000 is with alot of overtime. Regular pay is less than $50000.
It takes a special person to drive a bus in the city of Milwaukee every day!
Sorry Ruth, it’s not like these people are running into burning buildings; they’re driving a bus around town & can retire after 27 years. They’re trying to hold people hostage to get more for themselves and don’t give a damn about the riders.
It would be interesting to know how many responding to this article actually ride the bus.
Do you live in the city of Milwaukee?
A bus driver never knows what he or she will encounter from one minute to the next. I have seen bus drivers have to break up fights, deal with drunks, have to hope that the person entering the bus doesn’t become violent. They are also responsible for being sensitive to the needs of people with various disabilities, as well as being prepared when an emergency occurs on the bus. Bus drivers can also help with directions to your destination. I have seen bus drivers deal with emergency heath situations when a bus patron was in a sudden health crisis. These are professionals who are prepared for any situation!
The union president has repeatedly said that this is not about money. The issues are RESPECT, bathroom breaks, and the hiring of part-time workers with no benefits. Once a few part-time workers with no benefits, when will it become all workers have to become part-time with no benefits? The downward spiral.
The sights are now focused on MCTS now that the County Board had been decimated to half-time with no benefits.Is it ironic that the County Executive’s former spokesperson is now the spokesperson for MCTS? Is that a little fishy?
All the while, the talk is of the huge proposed arena that taxpayers will be on the hook for. We can see the priorities here. Pitiful.
hahahaha! Ruth, you could replace the words “bus driver” with “Walmart greeter” or “$8.00 an hour security guard.”
Are bis drivers importent? Sure. But lets get real, they aren’t dealing with anything that a lot of other people have to deal with on a daily basis.
Do you need a degree to be a bus driver? Specialized training? (I’m not talking about they’re 5 week in house training). In reality, this can be considered unskilled labor.
I’m guessing you’re all in favor of the $15.00 minimum wage also.
To reply to the question: I do ride the bus regularly. I do not live in Milwaukee anymore, but commute regularly to and within the City limits on the bus – not exactly sure why that distinction matters. I have previously lived in MKE for over 20 years. For whatever its worth, I care about this issue and have personal experience. I appreciate the continued discussion on this thread.
Thanks for your comments.
Jane, I stand by what I said previously. Yes the drivers are prepared for any situation. They are professionals who deal with life and death situations every day. Their developed skill is quite extensive.
That being said all workers deserve respect and a living wage.
Juli, it is great that you still take the bus. Taking the bus all over Milwaukee gives a perspective of what the drivers have to deal with on a daily basis.
I dream of a transportation like other countries and some major cities here in this country have. And the drivers need to be respected and treated well! Is that too much to ask?
Tom D, good find on that old contract. Really puts into perspective how these contracts end up. Maybe we’d all be happier if we had special privileges like those found in Union contracts and our country would be a happier place (well, until the rest of the companies that can go overseas go ahead and do so and many jobs are lost). However, most of us don’t have these privileges.
Tim is right on point regarding the skill level of these drivers relative to their pay. Most people either make half these drivers salaries or had to work through college or trade school to make as much. Most people have expectations of working full shifts, knowing their part time coworkers aren’t working for benefits, and try to work harder than the person next to them to earn a bigger raise each year.
Unions feel they don’t get the respect they deserve… maybe they don’t get respect, but that lack of respect is not because they have limited planned bathroom breaks. No wonder many people feel unions are out of touch.
The goal is to get people of low and moderate means fighting among each other and turning them against their own interests, which the powers that be have effectively been able to do.
Unions aren’t perfect but wages were much better for the average person in the 1950’s through the 1970s before Reagan came in. His first action in office: breaking the Air Traffic Controller’s Union! Sure, it is difficult world out there. Look at history and you will see it is when unions were strongest that there were more family supporting jobs and people of modest means were able to get ahead. Unions aren’t the problem!
Ruth, it helped that the manufacturing facilities in Europe were in no shape to compete following the war. It also helped that the GI Bill allowed many to attend college that wouldn’t have had that opportunity otherwise. After a generation of rebuilding, global competition was at a much higher level in the 80s and beyond.
So… all we have to do is support the unions (and bomb the rest of the world), and everything will be great again!
Ruth, it’s hard to compare the 50s to today, unless you want to remove most of the women working now from the workforce like it was back then. Reagan was right to stop an illegal job action.
Ruth is right, can we quit being jealous of someone making $62,000 a year when we are giving away millions to corporations. If you are so jealous go apply and drive a bus for a living. This is the divide and conquer strategy getting the middle class to peck at each other while they sit back and laugh. They did it with teachers they did it with welfare and on and on it will go. I agree their is likely some waste in all the systems but it pales in comparison to the waste at the top. While we are talking about thousands of dollars they deal in millions. Lets tackle those problems first and quit arguing about the pennies.
Kyle, what you say is true about post-war Europe not being able to compete in the 50’s and the GI Bill helping to facilitate education and upward mobility for lower and middle classes here. But that is only part of the story. The larger part is the effect unions and also the New Deal. Unions fought for alot of things that we take for granted today like the 40 hour work week, child labor laws, weekends, vacation time, sick time, for example.
To comment on your other point, we start too many wars when the vast money spent on war could be spent on needs in this country.
Paul, yes the 50’s were different all right, especially for women. After having been encouraged to work in the 40s ala Rosie the Riveter, when the men came back from war women were told that their services were no longer needed and were told that the patriotic thing to do would be to go home and have babies, which accounts for the Baby Boom. Women again started working in the late 60s and early 70s. The earning power of a man’s paycheck wasn’t enough and women were needed again. Of course, the women’s movement assisted. However, note that some women have always worked like black women who took the jobs of domestic work and the like.
Women still get paid less than men even for the same job!
Desperate people who have been wronged and overlooked and underpaid often have had to resort to measures to change their situation.
Ruth, surely you’re not purporting that a bus driver making 63k a year is of low means?
If this isn’t evidence of how unions can be their own worst enemies… I’m not sure what is. It’s all about getting as much as they can, without regard to the consequences. If expensive, and early eligible, retirement benefits and other expensive benefits don’t make MCTS insolvent, it’ll surely put pressure to cut more routes and increase fares in the future. But hey, at least the remaining drivers don’t have to worry about part timers taking their overtime right?
Thank you Matt for your common sense and seeing what is happening to us!
Open your eyes people! Don’t you see what is happening in this state, county, and city? This has been a divide and conquer strategy!
$63000 is solidly middle-class, AG. I did not mean to imply that it is not. I want pay standards for drivers to remain as is.
Matt, when you take into account the whole system, those thousands become millions. And those millions make or break systems like the MCTS. Maybe you’re ok with cutting even more routes in the future when we’re paying 3 people to do 8 hours work, even if the actual driving time is only 6 hrs?
The real issue for me isn’t even the dispute and negotiations… I’m not jealous of someone making 63k a year, I’m upset that they have the gall to hold the community that depends on them hostage over things that most people see as a luxury. They come across as spoiled and entitled.
I agree Ruth, they do indeed get solidly middle class pay. I don’t think anyone here thinks they should get less, in fact even the information we know about what MCTS is offering includes not just cost of living increases but an additional increase plus lower contributions to their pension. So it’s settled then, they should get back to serving the community and doing their jobs.
AG – there are two parties to the negotiation, where is the outrage at management for the gall to hold the community that depends on them hostage. I would arugue they want that as it continues to put citizens against each other instead of point the finger at leadership. I used to be on the other side where you are and then realized that the balance of power has shifted to much in the other direction. My point is we are focusing on each of these issues on an individual basis when we need to look at it from a larger perspective. The problem is not that we take some pay or benefits away from teachers / bus drivers as part of a negotiation. The problem occurs when instead of giving that money back to you or I and the citizens of this state or using it to reinvest in other things, it is instead given in the form of tax breaks to corporations and others. But we forget about that stuff and pound our chest that we stuck it to some poor teacher or bus driver how makes $50-60k per year.
AG as the union president has said repeatedly, this isn’t about wages. It is about working conditions. The only way that the drivers have been able to get people to take notice is to stage this very inconvenient work stoppage. Maybe their issues will be taken seriously after this.
Ruth, what working conditions? The only argument for actual working conditions is the scheduled bathroom breaks… If the information Jeramey put forth in this story is true, I don’t think that’s a bad working condition at all.
Someone needs to hire a PR person for the union, because if they think leaving people stranded is going to someone rally people to their cause then they will be quite disappointed.
Matt, can you point to the pay or benefits that are being taken away here? I only see that MCTS isn’t giving enough new pay and benefits to suit the union.
Ruth,, “Work like a black woman” ???
There’s a federal equal pay law, I have never worked at a job where women were paid less than men for the exact same job.
The only reason the union leaders called for this strike was because the part-time workers wouldn’t be forced to join the union.
AG I said in a previous post it is RESPECT, the hiring of part-time workers with no benefits, and the bathroom break issue that are the issues of concern.
I read in the JS that some workers are wearing Depends. I heard one of the drivers on TV say that some drivers are wetting their pants. There is a problem with the bathroom break policy.
Paul, yes there is an equal pay law since 1963, but it isn’t enforced. You wouldn’t know if you were being paid more than a woman. Employers discourage talk among employees about pay. Woman are still being paid 79 cents to every man’s dollar-that is white women. Black women receive less and latinas receive even less. Women are making a lot less than men for the very same day which amounts to $1mil over a lifetime. That hurts!
The Paycheck Fairness Act is before Congress right now. Please contact your representative and senator to say yes to this legislation!
The drivers can stop at any time if they need to… they don’t have to use the scheduled breaks. I call BS on those accounts.
And how is hiring part time workers a lack of respect? Everywhere you look, government or private sector, you see part time workers who don’t get full time benefits. That’s why they call them full time benefits.
Like I said, this shows us how out of touch some people are.
I was looking forward on going to Summerfest on yesterday an was unable to go.I AM NOT HAPPY!
AG if you read my earlier comments you would know why its not good to start hiring part-time workers with no benefits. I’m not going to repeat myself.
The drivers wouldn’ t call a strike and tell the whole world that drivers ” were urinating all over themselves” if there weren’t something amiss with the bathroom policy!
I’m sorry to hear that you can’t attend Summerfest Cheryle.
This goes to show how important the drivers are and not to take them for granted.
you’re hitting it on the head AG. Bus drivers are making a good living. Fair pay for low skill jobs. They have a great pension, scheduled bathroom breaks, and the ability to make unscheduled breaks. Part time employees rarely get benefits. So the part timers will cut into all the available overtime of the full-timers….ok…like any other company, they have to find ways to balance the budget. This protest is unfounded and being poorly run (i should expect that from poorly educated employees). I say “ride it out, and toss the same contract back in front of them.” They dont want it? Bring in Violloia.
Being beholden to a transit union and relying on them for transportation to work, the grocery store, the doctor, etc, knowing they can take it all away because they’re against such common sense things as hiring part time workers, is one of the main reasons I could never live without a car. Unfortunately a good number of people in the city can’t afford that option…
So much fear that part-time workers are used to help fit odd schedules and avoid excessive overtime… but no fear of what a future over-stretched MCTS would mean. Talk about failing to see the forest for the trees.
Talk about not seeing the big picture! I have managed without a car for many years. The car culture is ruining this nation!
When you start hiring part-timers with no benefits how do you know if the rest won’t also be forced to do the same? Downward spiral! Look at what is happening in this state to teachers and other workers! Get your heads out of the sand!!
So Ruth, you’re willing to risk a potential future of fewer bus routes, fewer drivers, shorter running hours, and more… just so there’s no part time workers? Makes sense.
I would suggest that you read the post that retired driver Angela Porter has to her Facebook page. There is a link to her FB page in the third update above. Being an MCTS driver isn’t easy. There are openings right now so go ahead and apply.
AG if you’ve been following state politics, you would know that management often make threats to get workers to accept less. I would dispute that the money isn’t there.
Ruth, Angela’s biggest gripes seem to be the violence and dangers of the job… why isn’t isn’t the sticking point in these negotiations about safety instead of bathroom breaks or part-timers? The human body is generally able to hold it’s waste for more than the 40-90 minutes that a bus route takes… and when it can’t, the drivers can stop. This is a foolish subject, and a smokescreen for the real issues.
Also, your view of the limitless supply of funding pretty much sums up everything people say about the mentality of unions.
News Flash!!
Being a bus driver isn’t easy!
Neither is being a waiter…or an iron worker, or a nurse….or a…..
No one on here is saying they don’t deserve what they get. But they get a pretty fair deal. To ask for more…stupid idea. They aren’t going to get a ton of support.
If you think the strike is really about bathroom breaks, you’re fooling yourself.
I know, let’s talk to Transit Security…you know, the Wackenhut guys? They take abuse at work to…many of them are graduates of the criminal justice program, most probably have more formal education then the drivers. Let’s see what kind of pension they get shall we? Let’s see what their hourly rate is. I’m just guessing here….but I’m willing to bet they have a few part timers on their staff too….
I’m out of here. You people are hopeless.
The 2007-2010 MCTS labor contract (which I discuss in post 14) feels like it was written during the 1920s or WW2 when transit actually made lots of money. Things like automatically getting time-and-a-half for any weekend work just seem ridiculous today.
While that contract expired in 2010, I’m pretty sure all the provisions I mentioned have continued (and will be in the new contract as well).
I’m unsure whether drivers get DOUBLE overtime by working an extra (unscheduled) weekend shift. For example, if a driver’s base pay is $24/hour, he gets $36 on Saturday (even if that is part of his regular 5-day workweek).
But what happens if that driver works 9 hours on Saturday; does he get $36/hour for the first 8 hours and then $54 (time-and-a-half based on the “regular” $36 weekend pay rate) for the final (ninth) hour? And what happens if a driver (who normally has Saturday off) is called in? Does he get $54/hour for the entire shift?
If drivers want longer end-of-run breaks (to use the bathroom, smoke, or use their cellphones), how about giving something back, like the 8-hour daily minimum (and time-and-a-half for anything over 8 hours)? Drivers would still have a 40 hour weekly minimum (with time-and-a-half over 40 hours).
This would mean somebody working 6 hours one day and 10 the next would just be paid for the 16 hours actually worked (instead of 19 hours as in today’s contract). It would also allow somebody to be scheduled to work four 10-hour days which seems impossible (or very expensive) under the current contract.
Driving a city bus is a difficult job and drivers deserve to be paid well. But overtime pay should be limited to extra hours actually worked.
I’m surprised that nobody has pointed out that this 3-day strike ends on July 4—an MCTS paid holiday—and that it seems they are going back just in time for this extra day of pay.
However, the 2007-2010 contract says holidays are paid only if “the employee works on the work days regularly scheduled before and after the holiday, unless a reasonable cause for not working is shown.” (§19.02) Does the union feel that striking constitutes “a reasonable cause for not working”? Or will the union insist on this as part of a new contract?
Also, note that they are going back on Saturday, when all work is paid at time-and-a-half which makes the average hourly wage about $36.
One addendum to my prior post. The time-and-a-half drivers get on weekends and holidays is IN ADDITION to the 8 hours of holiday pay they get.
This strike is poltically movies two facts that aren’t being reported in the news
1 leading up to it one of the county supervisors urged them to strike.
2 on July 2 some strikers were seen with no justice no peace picket signs and the union. What does this message have to do with the strike.
How ironic the strike ends just in time for them to collect holiday pay. What a joke.
I’m always puzzled by the outrage when workers receive pay or overtime that they NEGOTIATED for, and even more puzzled that people are bothered that they want a situation that is good for them and their families to continue, yet we’re told over and over again that the crazy bonus systems, stock options and golden parachutes are important for companies to keep the “best and the brightest” and to be able to “compete” when it comes to bankers, CEOs and other highly placed executives. I’m also amazed when I hear that that second group “earns” their generally very generous arrangements. You could not pay me to drive a bus. The crap I see them put up with from riders, from other drivers … the stress would make my head explode. The willingness of Americans to shit on each other while they support their overlords is a great puzzlement.
The drivers are looking out for their best interest, which we’re told over and over again is the American way. Apparently, it’s only the American way if you wear a tailored suit. Their pay is a good, solid middle class pay level. You can raise kids on that pay. Good on them for fighting to maintain what they have.
Thank you RMH! That is well said!
Because RMH, unions that represent public servants tend to hold far too much sway in their negotiations, that is why people are incredulous at some of the provisions in these contracts. Regarding the rest of your post, I have three points to make.
1. Private companies only pay their workers and executives as long as they can afford it. If they can’t afford it, they either cut pay/benefits or they have to lay people off. Otherwise they go out of business. Unions that represent public servants tend to believe their is an unlimited amount of resources and thus ask for things that far outweigh their worth (in my opinion).
2. No one is taking any pay or benefits away from these bus drivers. In fact, they’re getting additional boosts above their normal pay increase AND improved benefits. Asking for 8% raises and expecting the county to continue the ridiculous amount of overtime by now allowing them to hire part time workers is ridiculous. They need some perspective.
3. I ordered pizza hut Wednesday night and it took 2 hours to get the pizza. They informed me it was because almost half their crew had no bus to get to work and couldn’t find rides. I could care less about waiting for my pizza, but the fact that half their staff couldn’t work because of the entitled and selfish mindset of the drivers and their union really upsets me. I am SURE these Pizza Hut workers make far less money and rely on their paycheck way more than someone making sixty grand a year. Yet these workers are the ones who are suffering because the union decided to strike for selfish reasons.
This union needs to get out from their hole and look around to face reality. This is why they’re receiving little support from the public. The public is never going to support this strike knowing there’s a pay raise and better benefits, including contributing less to their pension, on the table already.
So because franchise business owners exploit their employees and underpay them then screw the bus drivers? I for one am sick of the race to the bottom we’ve been pursuing for pretty much my entire adult life. Why are we always playing workers off against each other while more and more wealth is siphoned up? Oh, and I do understand that franchisees are squeezed by the rent-seeking corporations they bought latchkey businesses from, but the problem isn’t the workers.
The bus drivers provide a vital service and are leveraging that to make sure they get the best deal they can. Again, I don’t understand why that’s okay for business owners and their never-ending demands for subsidies and tax breaks and other threats and whining but hard-working public servants are somehow monsters for standing up for themselves.
As for “support from the public”, I ride the bus every day, several times a day. I heard little to no bitching from other riders either at the stops or on the busses in the days leading up to this, and rather heard several expressions of support for the drivers as people got on and off. All of the people I’ve heard bitching about the drivers has been from people who DON’T RIDE THE BUS. Those of us who do see every day the value of experience to our ride being smooth, calm and on time. Veteran drivers make a huge difference.
My uncles were union members for several companies back in the day that made heavy equipment, and once the UAW surrendered on separate pay for new workers and hiring part-timers, their job security went down the dumper really fast, and they were all out of jobs within a decade.
I don’t want a bunch of wet-behind-the-ears part time kids trying to learn the routes, deal w/ suburban a-holes in their SUVs at rush hour cutting in front of them and a more-and-more demanding, newly empowered management pushing to squeeze more “productivity” out of them. Yes, I know we’ve been promised that the part timers would be retired drivers, but I would bet good money that sooner or later that would go out the window and much less experienced people would be filling those spots.
Seriously, this country, both nationally and state by state, has been pursing this no taxes, cut cut cut, shrink the private sector, privatize everything course for what, 40 years now? What do we have to show for it? Crumbling infrastructure, shrinking paychecks, stagnant growth, insecurity … I could go on. I grew up in IL, went through this exact same thing living under Republican administrations in CO, CT and NYC under Guiliani and Pataki. It left those places a wreck too, with parts of those state reduced to privileged playgrounds for the very very rich, and decaying messes for everyone else. I moved here at the insistence of my sisters, and got here just in time to watch WI start to fall for the same scam. The bus system and public services have been under constant assault from state legislators and Walker (and now that fake Donk Abele) and have declined all 12 years I’ve been here. I’m constantly amazed not only at how many people in this state grow up here and NEVER see the rest of the world, but how little many of you appreciate what your parents, grandparents and generations before them built for you. Take it from someone who’s lived all over the country, you have NO idea how nice this state is, and it’s heartbreaking to watch everyone cooperate in destroying it.
Your comments are refreshing RWH! There are many people like myself who see what is happening here in WI and stand in solidarity with the drivers. There is a divide and conquer mentality which has infiltrated the the state and unfortunately it seems to be succeeding.
Abele was on TV tonight saying he was going to give riders a free day on Monday. Abele the rich kid to the rescue!
I’ve lived in WI most of my life and for many years the bus has been my only form of transportation.
Ruth, in your comment #42 , so you think no one shares their pay information with their co-workers because the company tells them not to. People get equal pay for equal work, it’s the law already, your comparing all men against all black or Hispanic women to come up with your BS stat
Paul, I’ve worked on a payroll system where I actually knew the people we were paying and had a pretty good idea of each person’s skills and performance, and I can tell you there were astonishing variations in what people were paid. There were several instances of good, solid people making much less than others who just showed up but didn’t accomplish much.
Nobody ever complained about these inequities because nobody knew anybody else’s salary.
Tom D, I appreciate you sharing your direct experience with the issue of pay inequity.
Paul, “In 2014 in Wisconsin, a woman who holds a full-time job was paid on average $36,884 per year while a man was paid $46,801, an annual wage gap of $9,917 between men and women who work full-time.
White women on average are paid just 78 cents for every dollar paid to men. For women of color, the wage gap is even larger. On average, African-American women are paid 64 cents and Latinas are paid just 56 cents for every dollar paid to a white, non-Hispanic man.”
—from the National Partnership of Women and Families.
Dear Jeramey
Thanks for the brave attempt to keep up on the facts of the strike. I confess I am pro-union and so I have mixed feelings about this strike. And have long-held doubts about Mr. Macon’s leadership capacity. Hopefully the drivers will find a way to get a spokesperson to substitute for his muddling the message.
The strike, in fact, was a strike against the owners of County Transit – property tax payers and riders, who have immediate, life-urgent needs, and depend on transit. As you know, I have worked in the middle between riders and drivers, even while our committee avoided taking sides in labor disputes. So I’ve seen it from both sides, and have often talked to drivers while commuting.
Macon claims that MTS is shortening the bathroom breaks. From what drivers tell me, he has a point. Route #51 which had its share of schedule shifts with the changes around the Marian Center, may serve as an example. But the driver will claim that the schedule has been sped up, so the effect is felt in the layover break. In that sense Macon is correct, while Conway is correct about the policy, even while the management monitors driver compliance with on-time service. Faster buses equate with more riders.
The strike is a distraction from two larger issues; and these other issues will affect county taxpayers. One, the toxic relationship between Board and Abele. The other, the dependence of the County on significant transit funding from the State. The former is a catastrophe for the virtues of representative government; we are seeing our representation at the County level whittled away or shifted to Madison, where the County is at the tender mercies of officials who hate Milwaukee. None of this bolsters the future of transit in Milwaukee, while we the people are allowing others to set us up for bickering among ourselves, for envy and mutual accusations, while County assets are being swiped by the guests. Next: the Marcus Center will be swiped (leaving liabilities and maintenance in our lap). We could look at MC Director Paul Matthews’ idea – a riverside office tower (with more parking) on what is now just a parking structure. There’s a story here, too, our fear or inability to invest in our assets, balanced against our careless oversight and willingness to give away our inheritances (parks, buildings). There is another way to supplement transit finances, and I will get to that at a later date.
Had you known, I’m sure you would have photographed the picket line at KK and Mitchell. There were dozens of strikers at all the odd hours that I bike through that intersection. They were boisterous and were cheering the many car horns; irony alert, drivers are not exactly fans of buses anyway though realistically they should be; but the lot of them are workers facing diminishing returns on their productivity and will, for that reason, sympathize with the strikers. The intersection for your photo shoot at 17th and Fondy is not exactly a busy urban intersection. And it’s easy to understand why there were so many chairs per striker there; not so many at KK.
Thanks for breaking out some of the information. I note that the headline may be construed to be preemptively anti-union (“myths…”). There is a larger story which I hope you can research and cover as well.
Given JFC’s Motion 999, if that County provision passes, we can expect a lockdown of information as Mr. Abele continues his work dismantling County assets, and turning parks into private turf. The table is being set for millions of dollars of our assets going private. That is the Plan from the quiet folks in the backroom. Your challenge as our favorite reporter is to pierce the silence.
Your fellow rider and colleague
Bill Sell
Ruth, once again you are comparing apples to bananas, yes if you compare all women to all men in all different jobs you comments are true but that’s not what we’re talking about.
Tom D, are you admitting to a violation of a federal law?
Paul,
It is true that women and men are often in different job categories. However, even for the same job, it had been shown that men are being paid more than women.
The quote that I cited is from research put out by the National Partnership of Women and Families. Are you disputing the findings of an organization that does research on pay equity?
This is likely a tiny contribution to this huge debate, but I thought it was worth it. I admit, though, I haven’t read all 60 of the existing comments here, so this might be redundant.
The “150,000 riders” figure is meant to be “rides.” As in, single trips on the bus. So, that means, realistically, probably not much more than 75,000 riders in one day, assuming the vast majority of bus riders are leaving from home to at least one destination and then returning home. And, even then, most observers cut that figure down, knowing that a significant number of riders are taking four rides or more, not just to work and back, etc. That is, a lot of folks have to take two buses to get to their destination. And, how many riders have just one destination per day? I almost always have at least two places I want/need to go, in any single day.
From my observations over the years, the figure of 45,000 riders per day has been fairly commonly used to illustrate, in part, the value of public transportation in Milwaukee County.
I know this likely doesn’t help much, if at all. But it’s amazing what one letter — in this case, the second “r” in “riders” — can make.
Paul (post 68):
No, I’m not “admitting to a violation of federal law” because I wasn’t involved in setting salaries; I worked in IT maintaining the data and computer programs. Furthermore, I don’t understand what the federal law actually says. Besides, I retired from that job 17 years ago, well past any statute of limitations.
If you truly believe women (and blacks) are paid identically to men (and whites), read this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/22/opinion/sunday/nicholas-kristof-straight-talk-for-white-men.html
For example, college professors were asked to evaluate (on paper) a supposed candidate for a laboratory manager post. Resumés for “John” averaged 4.0 (on a 0-to-7 scale for competence) while identical resumés for “Jennifer” only averaged 3.3. “John’s” suggested starting salary was $4,000 higher than “Jennifer’s”. Again, except for the name, both resumés were identical.
In another study, fictitious resumés submitted for real job openings were 50% more likely to get a callback if they had a “white name” (like Greg or Emily) than if they had a “black name” (like Jamal or Lakisha). Other than the names, the resumés were identical.
To further what Peggy Schulz (post 70) said: Many transit critics claim that counting rides rather than riders is a deliberate distortion—an attempt to inflate the number of people using transit.
It’s not.
All transportation data (whether it is cars using the Hoan Bridge, passengers at Mitchell, or taxi usage) measures one-way traffic. Traffic counts are even more misleading because of the ambiguous word “vehicle”. While transit statistics use “ride” (a one-way trip on a single bus) and “rider” (a human who uses transit on a given day), highway stats use the word “vehicle” for both.
When we say “43,000 vehicles use the Hoan Bridge daily” we really mean the Hoan carries 43,000 one-way trips. When you consider that most cars make a daily round trip (and that some make several), the actual number of distinct vehicles on the Hoan drops by over half.
Tom D, your comment proves that liberal college professors will discriminate against people they would hire. The ones that preach equal rights are most times the biggest violators of them.
Ruth, I’m not disputing their data, like I stated before it has nothing to do with working the same jobs
Anybody that think the job is so easy and over paid. Come work all night on a holiday on the weekend. Come get called out your name everyday. When you stop the bus to go to the bathroom everybody late to somewhere. Deal with traffic. Deal with supervisor asking why you running late. Also though that whole article I saw nothing about how they are gutting the health insurance. Buy the way get eggs and rocks thrown at you and the bus get death threats. Is it worth the money. Get other people kids 15 and 16 years old cursing you out. It’s by far not a easy job. The money that is paid to a bus driver is well earned.
Public employees get better wages, bennies, vacations, retirement, pensions than the rest of us yet they pee on us when they feel like it.
Wisconsin Conservative Digest,
The gradual demise of unions is what has brought wages down. It is important that we support public employees, not point the finger at them. All employees need liveable wages.
John, the bus drivers put up with alot nd deserve our respect!
Paul, what does it have to do with then? Sounds like you think that women should never be paid the same as men.
Tom D, thanks for the information about pay equity.
@Ruth, I think the bus drivers need to start respecting the public and stop stealing unearned money. Oh, wait, I forgot, the union negotiated it with politicians that are on the union teet like John Weisan who literally outsources legislative duties to union leaders
Wonder if you ride the bus. I did today and as usual the bus was crowded, with people standing in the aisles. The bus drivers do a difficult job and some still are able to be cheerful, while others are so worn down from what they have to deal with that they aren’t personally nice to passengers.
UNIONS are responsible for so many things that we take for granted like the 8 hour work day, 40 hour work week, vacations, weekends, etc. etc. Keep your ears open for the outcome of the budget heading from Joint Finance to the full legislature then to the Governor which includes the “option” of working 7 days a week(no weekend).
Your anger is directed in the wrong direction!
Ruth, I fully support the federal law we have that guarantees equal pay for equal work. Where did you come up with me being against this?
Ruth, if you’re so against people working weekends I hope you stay locked in your house every weekend using no services at all.
Will (post 78), you blame the MCTS contract on “politicians who are on the union teet [sic]”.
Back in post 14, I analyzed the MCTS 2007-2010 contract. I’d just like to point out that, if any politician is responsible for that contract, it would be Scott Walker, since MCTS is totally a County operation and Scott Walker was Milwaukee County Executive when that contract was negotiated in 2007-2008.
Are you saying that Scott Walker was a union lackey when that contract was negotiated?
Paul, the Equal Pay Act of 1963 did indeed become the law of the land but is weakly enforced. I urge you to contact your US senators and congressperson urging them to support the Paycheck Fairness Act.
The Wisconsin legislature has been trying to eliminate weekends. The idea would be that there would be nothing in state law saying that workers are even entitled to 24 hours of rest. Currently, there is.
Yes, many people work on weekends but usually part-time or as part thereofpart of a 40 week schedule.
Ruth, why create another law while we all ready have one.If you think this one isn’t being enforced there’s your fight. I’m still waiting for your answer on why you think I never want women paid the same as men
@WCD
as per usual, you’re full of shit & talking out your ass. there are, of course, studies that prove the opposite.
http://www.epi.org/publication/public_sector_workers_earn_less/
Keefe offered some suggestions for why these public employees are often perceived to be overcompensated. For starters, public sector workers are, as a group, more highly educated, work in more highly paid occupations and they tend to work moderately fewer hours than those in the private sector. In addition, it is frequently noted that public employees earn more in benefits such as health care and pensions: therefore, a simple wage comparison will not accurately capture difference in total compensation. Nonetheless, after controlling for multiple factors including level of education, hours worked and non-cash compensation, Keefe found that, on average, full-time state and local employees are undercompensated compared to “otherwise similar private-sector workers.”
And yes, I understand that you’ll just impeach the source and insist that your belief is the “truth”.
Paul (post 64) You seem to believe that people sometimes share their salary information with others, and that “equal pay for equal work” is the law.
I just saw an article on this topic today.
Somebody at Google posted her salary online and encouraged other to do the same. About 5% of Google’s workforce did so, and all hell broke out. She was called on the carpet, was denied small bonuses due her (although a white guy—this woman was black—did get bonuses for the same work) and eventually quit.
http://www.businessinsider.com/erica-baker-pay-inequality-at-google-2015-7
Tom D, I read your link and it seems everyone else received their bonuses, not just the white guy, she should take the manager that withheld her bonuses to court.. It doesn’t sound like it was a racial incident at all but that the manager was pissed at her setting up the site.