The Milwaukee Air and Water Show 2015 was all about fast planes.
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My opinion isn’t popular but heck, it’s a fact. This is a bunch of macho military propaganda shoved down the throats of everywhere in the city. These things are killing machines that terrorize millions around the world. War may be necessary sometimes, but it sure as heck shouldn’t be celebrated. I feel very sorry for the gullible young boys who look at those things and think “cool” … maybe I’ll join the military. Very sad.
Thank you, Gorson. I’m a disabled Vietnam vet who couldn’t agree more. And by the way, who pays for all the costs of the Thunderbirds and Golden Knights? Are these just “absorbed” by the Pentagon? And, in the age of global warming, has anyone considered the environmental impact? Don’t mean to rain on this “parade” but if we are going to talk about government spending and waste maybe somebody needs to ask. Peace.
Air show haters, that’s a new one. Apparently it’s true, you can always find someone to complain about anything. I’m sorry you two disapprove of the Military’s recruiting strategies. Unfortunately “Uncle Sam wants YOU” posters just don’t seem to have the same effect anymore.
Gorson, as a point of contention, opinions are inherently by their nature… not facts.
I also think we need to ban Camouflage clothing from public events. Many people wear Camouflage clothing in at least half of the branches of the military, and allowing people to wear it at public events is shoving macho military propaganda down the public’s throat and could entice small children to want to serve their country someday.
I feel very sorry for the children who see camouflage clothing and think it looks cool.
What’s the difference between this: http://www.businessinsider.com/putin-just-threw-the-biggest-military-parade-since-the-soviet-union-collapsed-2015-5 which is portrayed negatively and US air shows and parades? I think what bothers some is the double standard.
Casey, do you believe the military participating in an air show is the same as that parade in the story you’ve linked?
Do you think the goals and motivations for each are the same?
While I have never attended a parade thrown by Vladimir Putin, I have to imagine they are a tad bit different than a parade in the U.S.
Nope, PMD. They’re the same… don’t be foolish.
You’re right AG. I don’t know what I was thinking. At the July 4th parade I attended a few weeks ago, a bunch of ominous, heavily armed dudes in dark clothing threatened me with beatings, imprisonment, and death for not cheering loudly enough as the County Sheriff strolled by.
Yes AG I believe they have the same goal – building patriotism. I”ve attended events for unity day in Moscow and the atmosphere is very similar to the 4th of July but when American media gets the photos they somehow turn it into something threatening.
PMD’s comment about heavily armed dudes in dark clothing threatening attendees for not cheering lough enough I think shows just how effective the coverage is even if its very far from reality. Sad coming from someone that normally seems to be a tolerant person.
So you’re parades in Moscow and Milwaukee are just harmless efforts to build and maintain love of one’s country? My apologies if I don’t sufficiently love Vladimir Putin enough for you. The man does kill and imprison political enemies but that’s no big deal really.
Is that so much different from Gitmo? I’m not saying either is right but its that the US vilifies others for doing the same thing that they do. Also by that logic does that mean you would be against military shows while GW Bush was president? Don’t always equate a country or its peoples with the head of state.
Casey I’m not a huge fan of these air shows regardless of the identity of our president, but I do think the first two posters used somewhat overheated rhetoric to denounce them.
Casey, you’re forgetting a major point… When Russia and N. Korea, Iran, (I know I’m throwing out rival countries, but I can’t think of many allies who do this) hold these military parades they are often doing it for the benefit of outsiders. They are showing their strength and how formidable they area…
That is quite different than showing off skills and capabilities to their own citizens for positive PR to boost recruiting and honor vets.
AG – other countries do it as well but our media isn’t going to show that because we don’t want to fear our allies so of course we’ll all be very familiar with our rivals. Helps to stoke fear which turns to hate.
France: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um2SO80KeJE
and here’s a good one of NATO forces parading infront of the Russian border: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2968408/Going-toe-toe-Putin-British-military-strength-300-yards-Russian-border.html
All countries do this but because how its presented to us we have different feelings.
AG- I don’t know if my comment got blocked or if I just forgot to save it but to boil down what I typed – yes our allies do the same but we don’t want to fear them so we don’t see their military parades on our nightly news.
Here is one link that shows the US and its allies in NATO do: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2968408/Going-toe-toe-Putin-British-military-strength-300-yards-Russian-border.html
So yes….the US and it’s allies very much so put on parades for the outside to see and to fear.
Now THAT is the same thing… not the Milwaukee air show. Going back to the original two posts as PMD did, their comments were rather ridiculous.
What is ridiculous about it? Their comments seem true and that our previous comments agree with theirs that its about building patriotism which includes joining the military.
Tom’s concern about the expense during a time when some politicians are pushing a fiscal conservative line is also valid.
Is it fun too watch? I sure think so but the first two comments are valid issues/thoughts/opinions that shouldn’t just be mocked.
For starters, what the hell is wrong with wanting to join the military?
I don’t believe anyone said anything was wrong with it or patriotism. Maybe the initial post could be conveyed that way but I took it as joining the military just because it looks fun might be a bit naive.
“This is a bunch of macho military propaganda shoved down the throats of everywhere[sic] in the city.” Yep, everyone was chained to benches at the lakefront and forced to watch.
“These things are killing machines that terrorize millions around the world.” Scourge of the world, those performers at the Milwaukee air show.
“War may be necessary sometimes, but it sure as heck shouldn’t be celebrated.” The Milwaukee airshow is celebrating war?
You don’t think any of those statements are ridiculous? How about the following statement regarding something being wrong with joining the military to which you claimed no one said?
“I feel very sorry for the gullible young boys who look at those things and think “cool” … maybe I’ll join the military. Very sad.”
Well…I guess since I didn’t write the comment I’m not in a position to state what their intention was so I’ll leave it to them to clarify.
I don’t think Gorson’s comment is exactly inaccurate because a supporert could state something very similar using different wording that has the same meaning.
“Macho military propaganda” = patriotic exhibit
“killing machines that terrorize millions around the world” = modern military marvels that keep a dangerous world at bay
The comment about celebrating war can be left up to an individual’s conscience. If it bothers one’s conscience then don’t go to the lake but most city residents still had them flying over their yards and could understand how that might offend some just as having a xmas tree in the state building offends some.
Obviously the show doesn’t bother your conscience and that’s fine but its the mocking of others whose conscience that it does bother is what seems off to me especially by two regular commentators that usually seem open minded and tolerant of others’ ideas.
If my mockery was excessive, I apologize, but those first two comments struck me (and still do) as overheated and a little ridiculous. Especially the first one. I don’t see any other way to read it except as the worst thing in the world would be for a young person to go to the airshow and decide to join the military.
And if an airshow like this is “macho military propaganda being shoved down people’s throats,” what else is? When MLB wears uniforms that honor the military, is that macho military propaganda?
People have the right to speak their opinion… but I also have the right to call their statements ludicrous. Especially when they are exactly that.