Jeramey Jannene
Eyes on Milwaukee

Meet the New Grand Avenue

From dead mall to vibrant city center, see the plan for Grand Avenue Mall

By - Apr 25th, 2016 08:24 am
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22 thoughts on “Eyes on Milwaukee: Meet the New Grand Avenue”

  1. Rachel Q says:

    Looks potentially promising. Maybe I’ve missed this somewhere in the reporting but who is planning to pay for all this? Seems like a really expensive project.

  2. Ryan N says:

    @Rachel Q The owners of the mall who just purchased it will be paying. Said so in the article and they have been saying for months they’re going to redevelop the mall themselves.

  3. Casey says:

    I am critical and I am negative….but I really love this! My favorite feature and a long time dream for this town is to make better use of our alleys. I really hope that part of the plan comes to fruition.

  4. MidnightSon says:

    Exciting that the plans are finally out. I went to bed last night anticipating them! My initial thoughts:

    — Yes to moving food to the first floor and offices above! QUESTION: What does skywalk access look like if the second story in each of the buildings is offices?

    — Agree totally with Casey about use of the alley. The City is for grand experiences and small, intimate ones, and I predict the alley will be very popular small experience. Ya don’t get that in New Berlin. 😉

    — Entry design. My first reaction to the design was that it seemed a bit suburban (what with the horizontal slats, apparently wooden on the upper floors). Perhaps its just my reaction to the style of the rendering, itself, which has a certain flatness.) The yellow I-beams will have to grow on me. My initial reaction was that the I-beams, themselves, are a bit trite and overdone. I get how the yellow might work well with the blue of the old Reuss federal building.

    — Grocery store. I live in Chicago, so I won’t be shopping there, but this would be tremendous for area residents and workers, alike, and great for the street.

    — The street. Is there a sense for whether ground-floor retail doors will open to the street. We can only hope.

    — Name. Ugh. I wish we could get over calling this “The Grand Avenue,” already. Best way to do that is go give it a new name. My preference is for more than one. The Plankinton Arcade already has a fine name, so maybe we can simply call it that? As for the other “half” of the mall formerly known as The Grand Avenue,”how about something like “Kilbourn Arcade”? Why stop with the restaurant.

    Heck, I’ve written before that I believe the whole area should be referred to by its old name, “Kilbourntown,” and east of the river should be “Juneau Town.” They’re wonderful and historic monikers for downtown neighborhoods. Juneau, Kilbourn, Walker. 🙂

    Oh, and, looking forward to knowing how Michigan Avenue is treated in all of this. There’s nothing in the plans about this, is there? With a couple other developments on Michigan (possible Master Lock headquarters, an additional hotel or residential project) and I think we need to talk about some first floor retail in the parking garages and high-rise residential above.

    I have a sense this will be a popular concept. Now, the pressure is on to figure out how the block west of Boston Store will tie Kilbourntown together!

  5. Rachel Q says:

    @Ryan N Yes I saw that. I am just extremely skeptical that this will, in the end, be paid for completely by the developers. That’s why I was wondering if there was any talk of other funding streams.

  6. Casey says:

    The neglect of Michigan Ave and Zeidler Sq is the only failing here so far but maybe the future will change that. I would like to see the hotel make better use of its frontage and cover the parking. Right now its a glorified alley to parking garages.

  7. David K says:

    “Gone is any resemblance to a traditional mall, replaced with open floor-plan offices and a dynamic, urban marketplace.”

    … can someone explain to me the difference between a mall and an urban marketplace? lol.

  8. MidnightSon says:

    David K – The urban marketplace doesn’t come with an Orange Julius or Spencer’s Gifts.

  9. Marie says:

    Rachel Q, yes, the arms race among developers for subsidies would indicate that there could be a push for some public handout to “make the project feasible,” which is how all the subsidies for the Couture are being sold. All sadly unsustainable in fiscal terms.

    Of course, office tenants would likely pay higher rents than retailers have been paying for space in a mall with low traffic, which could help the developers recoup their renovation costs. Also, it sounds like they paid almost nothing for the mall itself, while their investment was mostly for the cash-cow parking structure.

    The approach is exciting though. TKWA knows how to design spaces that attract people. I agree with Casey that upgrading and connecting Zeidler Square and Michigan Street could ultimately make this all start working as a real neighborhood.

  10. Marie says:

    With Applebee’s getting the boot, maybe they can get a slot in the Bucks “entertainment” center, which will feature mostly national chains.

    Nice to hear that the Grand Avenue project will be shooting for more local trade and color.

  11. Homesteader says:

    The atrium, with its skylights, is made to order for plants, but not a green thing in sight in the new plan. A little green helps during the long Wisconsin winter.

  12. mbradleyc says:

    It’s Michigan Street.

    Wisconsin Avenue, Michigan Street.

    Michigan Street.

  13. mbradleyc says:

    “…maybe they can get a slot in the Bucks “entertainment” center, which will feature mostly national chains.”

    No it won’t.

  14. Alan says:

    It’s great to see this revitalization effort with Grand Avenue. Having moved away from Milwaukee over 14 years ago, but still visit periodically, it has been sad to see how low the mall has dropped since its heyday in the late 80’s- 90’s. I always loved to shop there, especially around the Christmas holidays with all the activity there. Glad to see TKWA leading the redesign effort as I have always liked their work. Makes sense to convert it to a mixed use facility. Hope it still supports good retail spaces. Not too sure about the yellow entry arcade, but is still better that the current design. Using the alleys as shopping markets is a great idea. With all the residential building going on downtown and in the Third Ward/Walkers Point areas, there should be plenty of shoppers to support this revitalized facility.

  15. MidnightSon says:

    As reported by the Milwaukee Business Journal, the owners have also purchased the surface parking lot at 333 N. Water Street at “the gateway to the Third Ward.” Plans are, apparently, for a mixed use development and they describe this as a potential strategic link between Kilbourntown and the Third Ward.

    Hear, hear!

    Another surface lot bites the dust, and this property is both on the river walk and kitty-corner from the Milwaukee Public Market.

    Governor Walker, tear down this freeway spur! (Preferably, from 6th Street to the lake.) 😉

  16. Tom DeWire says:

    This is all great – I’m sure a grocery store will be the anchor tenant. I do hope the “indoor marketplace” doesn’t compete with the Public Market – Grand Ave would have been a great spot for the public market initially, but oh well. And I will be sad to see that there’s no grand beer hall or public event space, but these plans are good.

    Hopefully they will do something to remove the mall-ness of the western portion- the doors, tiling, railing, etc… makes it feel like a really sanitized space.

    As for the alley… I wonder how that will work for vendors in the winter? Maybe having it be more of an offbeat pedestrian alley for art and walking, similar to detroit’s BELT (http://thebelt.org/) would be good.

  17. Sean says:

    I am curious if they plan to completely shut down the mall and do a major renovation or will they slowly make changes as the leases expire. It would be great to see this completely shut down and start from scratch. They could close the door on the old mall and have a real grand opening months later. A complete overhaul is very necessary, I worry that if they take their time and leave it open during the process, its going to come off as putting lipstick on a pig again.

  18. Jerry says:

    The new designs look very promising! I moved to MKE from Mpls 15 years ago. Could MKE be catching up to a real, cosmopolitan, well-educated city like Mpls? Let’s hope so. Nicolett Mall was always a shoppers paradise and the whole downtown area of Mpls. is a fun, safe and interesting place to live, work and visit any day of the week. Target having it’s headquarters downtown and the Univ. of St. Thomas both helped make and keep downtown Mpls. vibrant through the economic downturn of the 80s and 90s.

    Who cares about the suburbanites and what they want. Let the cornfield people (my term for people living in the suburbs, i.e. former cornfields) stay in their cornfields!

  19. Virginia Small says:

    It’s promising that two owners are from MKE and understand the local market, and that the third is from MPLS. That city has already sorted through some ups and downs of downtown retail including re-inventing Block E, a defunct entertainment mall, into Mayo Clinic Square. It now combines offices, medical and an NBA practice gym–with some street-level retail. The Twin Cities are among the most livable cities in the U.S. We can learn from them.

    We absolutely need more and better community gathering spaces downtown. Private spaces like the Public Market and Grand Avenue can contribute to that if at least some part of them feels truly inclusive and welcoming. But streets, sidewalks and parks are the real essential public spaces and must be maximized for a truly vibrant downtown. That takes a community effort. Developers can help but civic leaders must take the lead. That’s happening big-time in MPLS, Chicago and other major Midwest cities.

  20. Casey says:

    Think some how as a city we could lure Ikea to take over the Gimbles building instead of Oak Creek?

  21. Dave Reid says:

    @Casey I highly doubt it. IKEA has experimented a little bit with an urban store(s) thir model is really to be surrounded by an ocean of surface parking in a suburban setting.

  22. Virginia Small says:

    Casey, I agree with Dave. The IKEA stores I’ve visited are massive and combine maze-like retail areas with equally massive warehouse sections. They require a humongous footprint both for the store and the parking lot.

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