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	<title>Comments on: Where Should The Madison High-Speed Rail Train Station Go?</title>
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		<title>By: Dave Reid</title>
		<link>http://urbanmilwaukee.com/2009/08/10/where-should-the-madison-high-speed-rail-train-station-go/comment-page-1/#comment-39452</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Matt Welcome to the conversation...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matt Welcome to the conversation&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Trussoni</title>
		<link>http://urbanmilwaukee.com/2009/08/10/where-should-the-madison-high-speed-rail-train-station-go/comment-page-1/#comment-39450</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Trussoni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am new to the conversation, but think I might have some useful insight.  The HSR will be used to support intermediate range travelers, up to around 500 miles.  Longer distances will still be serviced by air transit.  These longer distance travelers are expecting longer travel times and transferring between transportation types, so having to take a light rail to the airport is not a big deal.  

The HSR will get the most ridership by connecting urban centers.  So the station should be located as close to the center as logically possible and be designed as an inter or multi modal station where people have the choice of what transit to take.  I think a light rail around Madison connecting to this station is a good idea because once people arrive from the HSR they feel that they have arrived in Madison.  Adding an extra trip from the airport is not the arrival experience that encourages ridership in the intermediate distance; people will drive in order to feel like they arrive where they need to be.  

I am not filmier with the location that Mr. Gore proposes, but local people usually know best.  The train platforms will need to be on the order of 1400 feet long for HSR, but a lot of these problems can be solved with creative solutions.  

What the WDOT should really do is support a design competition for the new station to bring in ideas and spur conversation about the best solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am new to the conversation, but think I might have some useful insight.  The HSR will be used to support intermediate range travelers, up to around 500 miles.  Longer distances will still be serviced by air transit.  These longer distance travelers are expecting longer travel times and transferring between transportation types, so having to take a light rail to the airport is not a big deal.  </p>
<p>The HSR will get the most ridership by connecting urban centers.  So the station should be located as close to the center as logically possible and be designed as an inter or multi modal station where people have the choice of what transit to take.  I think a light rail around Madison connecting to this station is a good idea because once people arrive from the HSR they feel that they have arrived in Madison.  Adding an extra trip from the airport is not the arrival experience that encourages ridership in the intermediate distance; people will drive in order to feel like they arrive where they need to be.  </p>
<p>I am not filmier with the location that Mr. Gore proposes, but local people usually know best.  The train platforms will need to be on the order of 1400 feet long for HSR, but a lot of these problems can be solved with creative solutions.  </p>
<p>What the WDOT should really do is support a design competition for the new station to bring in ideas and spur conversation about the best solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://urbanmilwaukee.com/2009/08/10/where-should-the-madison-high-speed-rail-train-station-go/comment-page-1/#comment-39397</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 02:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,
If you look at the following map, you will see why the route past the Monona terrace would not work for a future extension to the twin cities by going past Monona terrace the rail line would not be able to be extended to the twin cities without requiring the train to run on a longer route, or backtrack which would need significant improvements to make it even suitable for basic low speed passenger rail.  In addition any improvements to a route that runs past Monona Terrace to Minneapolis would not benefit the existing Empire Builder rail line  and would probably need a lot more of a substantial Environmental Impact Study(EIS) than if it was to follow on a route similar to the Existing lines which could be just upgraded with a Finding of No Significant Impact(FONSI) statement saying that there would be a lot less of an environmental impact because it would be on existing passenger rail tracking.

http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/localgov/docs/railmap.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,<br />
If you look at the following map, you will see why the route past the Monona terrace would not work for a future extension to the twin cities by going past Monona terrace the rail line would not be able to be extended to the twin cities without requiring the train to run on a longer route, or backtrack which would need significant improvements to make it even suitable for basic low speed passenger rail.  In addition any improvements to a route that runs past Monona Terrace to Minneapolis would not benefit the existing Empire Builder rail line  and would probably need a lot more of a substantial Environmental Impact Study(EIS) than if it was to follow on a route similar to the Existing lines which could be just upgraded with a Finding of No Significant Impact(FONSI) statement saying that there would be a lot less of an environmental impact because it would be on existing passenger rail tracking.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/localgov/docs/railmap.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/localgov/docs/railmap.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave Reid</title>
		<link>http://urbanmilwaukee.com/2009/08/10/where-should-the-madison-high-speed-rail-train-station-go/comment-page-1/#comment-39374</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Scott I think the issue is cost, and transit time..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Scott I think the issue is cost, and transit time..</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Riedel</title>
		<link>http://urbanmilwaukee.com/2009/08/10/where-should-the-madison-high-speed-rail-train-station-go/comment-page-1/#comment-39361</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Riedel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 20:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would it not be possible to build a station under the Monona Terrace complex?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would it not be possible to build a station under the Monona Terrace complex?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Reid</title>
		<link>http://urbanmilwaukee.com/2009/08/10/where-should-the-madison-high-speed-rail-train-station-go/comment-page-1/#comment-39314</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@johnsturgen
http://twurl.nl/3riyo5

Page 3 &quot;▪ Yahara Station is on the same, existing mainline track owned by WSOR as evaluated for the airport and Pennsylvania Ave. stations.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@johnsturgen<br />
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<p>Page 3 &#8220;▪ Yahara Station is on the same, existing mainline track owned by WSOR as evaluated for the airport and Pennsylvania Ave. stations.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Reid</title>
		<link>http://urbanmilwaukee.com/2009/08/10/where-should-the-madison-high-speed-rail-train-station-go/comment-page-1/#comment-39311</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 05:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We have to have an airport link even if you build the First/Yahara station.  So you&#039;re wasting dollars and duplicating service, because they&#039;ll have to build light rail to the airport anyway.  So, thanks for &quot;

Certainly the HSR can stop at the airport, but skipping the city misses out on the majority of the potential ridership.  And even with a LRT line there is no duplication of service, as the systems serve different needs.

&quot;You sacrifice the redundancy built into an intermodal airport-rail station.&quot;

Redundancy, would be good, but that scenario is much much more the exception rather than the normal ridership.

Skipping the city will hurt ridership, as it adds more time to the travel.

Finally, the airport site simply doesn&#039;t allow for economic development... i.e. TOD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We have to have an airport link even if you build the First/Yahara station.  So you&#8217;re wasting dollars and duplicating service, because they&#8217;ll have to build light rail to the airport anyway.  So, thanks for &#8221;</p>
<p>Certainly the HSR can stop at the airport, but skipping the city misses out on the majority of the potential ridership.  And even with a LRT line there is no duplication of service, as the systems serve different needs.</p>
<p>&#8220;You sacrifice the redundancy built into an intermodal airport-rail station.&#8221;</p>
<p>Redundancy, would be good, but that scenario is much much more the exception rather than the normal ridership.</p>
<p>Skipping the city will hurt ridership, as it adds more time to the travel.</p>
<p>Finally, the airport site simply doesn&#8217;t allow for economic development&#8230; i.e. TOD</p>
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		<title>By: johnsturgeon</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnsturgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 04:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Dave Reid,

The Yahara Station is not on the planned route.  Even a glance at wisdot&#039;s map indicates the airport is accessed at Union Corners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Dave Reid,</p>
<p>The Yahara Station is not on the planned route.  Even a glance at wisdot&#8217;s map indicates the airport is accessed at Union Corners.</p>
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		<title>By: johnsturgeon</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnsturgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 04:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disappointing article.  It&#039;s a fallacy that the &quot;Yahara Station&quot; is an optimal proposal that meets the needs or delivers the benefits of a downtown location.  Very obvious to fall into such simplistic thinking.

We have to have an airport link even if you build the First/Yahara station.  So you&#039;re wasting dollars and duplicating service, because they&#039;ll have to build light rail to the airport anyway.  So, thanks for 

You sacrifice the redundancy built into an intermodal airport-rail station.  Heavy snow, fog at O&#039;Hare, air traffic controller&#039;s union goes on strike, or  a terrorist attack---switching to rail won&#039;t be a problem.  But here in Madison, everybody gets stranded &amp;.or inconvenienced, and it&#039;s no problem for you, because Madison&#039;s parochial needs came before the region&#039;s transportation needs.

Which leads to the fact that regional HSR is not built to serve Madison&#039;s self-interest.  It&#039;s built to better serve travelers across the region.  Not Todd McGrath.  Not Madison.  Where the HSR route slows down regional rail service, it has to be put back on a realistic route---and back to the ariport location.

Also, no one noticed you have to walk a full block from First Street to the Rail station????  NOWHERE do you have to do that at real railroad stations.  At worst you cross a couple lanes of traffic to board the train.  That set-up is masssively inconvenient, even amateurish.  This location was selected to serve the developers of adjacent parcels, who aren&#039;t responsible enough to move on projects on their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disappointing article.  It&#8217;s a fallacy that the &#8220;Yahara Station&#8221; is an optimal proposal that meets the needs or delivers the benefits of a downtown location.  Very obvious to fall into such simplistic thinking.</p>
<p>We have to have an airport link even if you build the First/Yahara station.  So you&#8217;re wasting dollars and duplicating service, because they&#8217;ll have to build light rail to the airport anyway.  So, thanks for </p>
<p>You sacrifice the redundancy built into an intermodal airport-rail station.  Heavy snow, fog at O&#8217;Hare, air traffic controller&#8217;s union goes on strike, or  a terrorist attack&#8212;switching to rail won&#8217;t be a problem.  But here in Madison, everybody gets stranded &amp;.or inconvenienced, and it&#8217;s no problem for you, because Madison&#8217;s parochial needs came before the region&#8217;s transportation needs.</p>
<p>Which leads to the fact that regional HSR is not built to serve Madison&#8217;s self-interest.  It&#8217;s built to better serve travelers across the region.  Not Todd McGrath.  Not Madison.  Where the HSR route slows down regional rail service, it has to be put back on a realistic route&#8212;and back to the ariport location.</p>
<p>Also, no one noticed you have to walk a full block from First Street to the Rail station????  NOWHERE do you have to do that at real railroad stations.  At worst you cross a couple lanes of traffic to board the train.  That set-up is masssively inconvenient, even amateurish.  This location was selected to serve the developers of adjacent parcels, who aren&#8217;t responsible enough to move on projects on their own.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Reid</title>
		<link>http://urbanmilwaukee.com/2009/08/10/where-should-the-madison-high-speed-rail-train-station-go/comment-page-1/#comment-39152</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 17:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lou the Yahara plan is on the planned route.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lou the Yahara plan is on the planned route.</p>
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