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	<title>Comments on: Expect The Hoan Bridge Debate To Heat Up</title>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Alderman Bauman&#039;s goals fail to provide any clear direction on this issue. Everything that he mentions is common sense to all generations of Milwaukeeans.  

It seems the DOT/State has positioned itself to tear the Hoan down - otherwise they would have never released the HNTB study to the public. They would have found another study that says it is more cost effective to keep the Hoan. 

The Hoan has no character - in fact there are many identical bridges across the country (see Green Bay) that were built during the same period, so I agree with the state that it should be torn down. Depending on the rebuild solution, I think residents of the south side communities will be okay with this as well. 

In my opinion, the most critical piece of the new roadway is the portion from the Marquette Interchange (Milwaukee St. overpass) to the river (Marcus Amphitheater). We know that a bridge needs to be built over the river/MMSD that allows for shipping yet is efficient for vehicle traffic, so that southern portion is less important to economic development. the north piece must be built AT GROUND LEVEL similar to Lincoln Memorial Drive. Otherwise, the Italian Community Center and other parking lot operators will sit on their land for the rest of time, because it is more profitable to rent parking daily and for the festivals than it is to build new buildings. It is crazy to think that Milwaukee&#039;s most vibrant urban neighborhood - which continues to grow in a recession, has not moved east toward the lake. The barrier to development must be removed because it will also allow the CBD to grow south to the 3rd ward at Jackson, Van Buren, etc. 

This will likely be a debate with two sides - south siders and baby boomers vs. urban dwellers and generation x. Let&#039; s make the right choice people - think about getting development up to the current Hoan footprint and what it will do for Milwaukee - southsiders - it will only add about 60 seconds to your commute.

None of my out of town guests have ever said anything to compliment the Hoan (as opposed to 6th viaduct) - this is not by accident. 

Bring on the debate!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Alderman Bauman&#8217;s goals fail to provide any clear direction on this issue. Everything that he mentions is common sense to all generations of Milwaukeeans.  </p>
<p>It seems the DOT/State has positioned itself to tear the Hoan down &#8211; otherwise they would have never released the HNTB study to the public. They would have found another study that says it is more cost effective to keep the Hoan. </p>
<p>The Hoan has no character &#8211; in fact there are many identical bridges across the country (see Green Bay) that were built during the same period, so I agree with the state that it should be torn down. Depending on the rebuild solution, I think residents of the south side communities will be okay with this as well. </p>
<p>In my opinion, the most critical piece of the new roadway is the portion from the Marquette Interchange (Milwaukee St. overpass) to the river (Marcus Amphitheater). We know that a bridge needs to be built over the river/MMSD that allows for shipping yet is efficient for vehicle traffic, so that southern portion is less important to economic development. the north piece must be built AT GROUND LEVEL similar to Lincoln Memorial Drive. Otherwise, the Italian Community Center and other parking lot operators will sit on their land for the rest of time, because it is more profitable to rent parking daily and for the festivals than it is to build new buildings. It is crazy to think that Milwaukee&#8217;s most vibrant urban neighborhood &#8211; which continues to grow in a recession, has not moved east toward the lake. The barrier to development must be removed because it will also allow the CBD to grow south to the 3rd ward at Jackson, Van Buren, etc. </p>
<p>This will likely be a debate with two sides &#8211; south siders and baby boomers vs. urban dwellers and generation x. Let&#8217; s make the right choice people &#8211; think about getting development up to the current Hoan footprint and what it will do for Milwaukee &#8211; southsiders &#8211; it will only add about 60 seconds to your commute.</p>
<p>None of my out of town guests have ever said anything to compliment the Hoan (as opposed to 6th viaduct) &#8211; this is not by accident. </p>
<p>Bring on the debate!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeramey Jannene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeramey Jannene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Matthew, @Max

This is probably the best article I have seen on the costs.

http://www.biztimes.com/news/2008/10/31/the-bridge-to-somewhere

I used reconstructed in the article.  I should have used &quot;redecked&quot; in association with the $200 million cost.  Thanks for drawing my attention to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matthew, @Max</p>
<p>This is probably the best article I have seen on the costs.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.biztimes.com/news/2008/10/31/the-bridge-to-somewhere" rel="nofollow">http://www.biztimes.com/news/2008/10/31/the-bridge-to-somewhere</a></p>
<p>I used reconstructed in the article.  I should have used &#8220;redecked&#8221; in association with the $200 million cost.  Thanks for drawing my attention to that.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As evidence of how little influence the city may have in the issue, Mayor Barrett and Common Council President Hines were mere attendees at the Marquette Interchange ribbon cutting.&quot;
My husband has maintained for years that its purpose (both the Marquette and the interstate in general) is for people to get comfortably and conveniently from one far-flung burb to another without having to see &quot;the hood.&quot;

Personally, I love the Hoan Bridge.  It&#039;s such a graceful design and honors Milwaukee&#039;s proud Socialist history; Mayor Dan Hoan did a lot of great things for the city before &quot;Socialist&quot; sadly became an epithet roughly equivalent to &quot;mofo.&quot;  It&#039;s a beautiful symbol of our harbor and of our city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As evidence of how little influence the city may have in the issue, Mayor Barrett and Common Council President Hines were mere attendees at the Marquette Interchange ribbon cutting.&#8221;<br />
My husband has maintained for years that its purpose (both the Marquette and the interstate in general) is for people to get comfortably and conveniently from one far-flung burb to another without having to see &#8220;the hood.&#8221;</p>
<p>Personally, I love the Hoan Bridge.  It&#8217;s such a graceful design and honors Milwaukee&#8217;s proud Socialist history; Mayor Dan Hoan did a lot of great things for the city before &#8220;Socialist&#8221; sadly became an epithet roughly equivalent to &#8220;mofo.&#8221;  It&#8217;s a beautiful symbol of our harbor and of our city.</p>
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		<title>By: matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The redecking would cost $200,000,000 and the bridge would still need to be replaced in 50 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The redecking would cost $200,000,000 and the bridge would still need to be replaced in 50 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeramey Jannene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeramey Jannene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Max That is true, it is possible to redeck the bridge, but it would then still need to be replaced not long thereafter.  It appears WisDOT has likely ruled that option out, as the Business Journal said...

&quot;The Hoan Bridge study, first reported by The Business Journal Aug. 22, points out the state would spend $80 million less through 2025 to replace the bridge than to pay for maintenance on the 2.5-mile span.&quot;

http://milwaukee.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/stories/2008/10/20/editorial1.html?q=hoan%20bridge%20business%20journal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Max That is true, it is possible to redeck the bridge, but it would then still need to be replaced not long thereafter.  It appears WisDOT has likely ruled that option out, as the Business Journal said&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;The Hoan Bridge study, first reported by The Business Journal Aug. 22, points out the state would spend $80 million less through 2025 to replace the bridge than to pay for maintenance on the 2.5-mile span.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://milwaukee.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/stories/2008/10/20/editorial1.html?q=hoan%20bridge%20business%20journal" rel="nofollow">http://milwaukee.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/stories/2008/10/20/editorial1.html?q=hoan%20bridge%20business%20journal</a></p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
		<link>http://urbanmilwaukee.com/2009/06/24/expect-the-hoan-bridge-debate-to-heat-up/comment-page-1/#comment-24879</link>
		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct me if I&#039;m wrong - I thought the first consideration is redecking the bridge which will cost millions. I didn&#039;t think the bridge was due for a complete tear-down/rebuild for another 10-15 years???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong &#8211; I thought the first consideration is redecking the bridge which will cost millions. I didn&#8217;t think the bridge was due for a complete tear-down/rebuild for another 10-15 years???</p>
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