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	<title>Comments on: Would Neon Colored Ashtrays Have Been Acceptable?</title>
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		<title>By: Lucas Spivey</title>
		<link>http://urbanmilwaukee.com/2009/04/02/would-neon-colored-ash-trays-of-been-acceptable/comment-page-1/#comment-35386</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucas Spivey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 07:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boo-yah.  You hit the nail on the head.  As an artist and a Wisconsinite turned Seattleite I feel I should have something to add, but I don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boo-yah.  You hit the nail on the head.  As an artist and a Wisconsinite turned Seattleite I feel I should have something to add, but I don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://urbanmilwaukee.com/2009/04/02/would-neon-colored-ash-trays-of-been-acceptable/comment-page-1/#comment-20820</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since when did lightpole mounted peep shows constitute art? One day maybe this city will have some REAL public art proposed instead of silly projects like this or the Big Blue Shirt or the orange asterisk.

For once our Alderman made the right call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when did lightpole mounted peep shows constitute art? One day maybe this city will have some REAL public art proposed instead of silly projects like this or the Big Blue Shirt or the orange asterisk.</p>
<p>For once our Alderman made the right call.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Reid</title>
		<link>http://urbanmilwaukee.com/2009/04/02/would-neon-colored-ash-trays-of-been-acceptable/comment-page-1/#comment-20632</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 16:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tom No, I think the problem is that a we need to recognize the value of art to public space even if it doesn&#039;t fit my own tastes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tom No, I think the problem is that a we need to recognize the value of art to public space even if it doesn&#8217;t fit my own tastes.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Bamberger</title>
		<link>http://urbanmilwaukee.com/2009/04/02/would-neon-colored-ash-trays-of-been-acceptable/comment-page-1/#comment-20630</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Bamberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Dave, that is really THE problem.

I can&#039;t think of anything that would be somehow accountable to all of our collective whims or fancies that would end up being really good in the long run.  Can you?

Why subject &quot;public art&quot; to this?  

Of course some people will like X and some will not.  What does that tell us?  Nothing about work in question and perhaps a little about us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Dave, that is really THE problem.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t think of anything that would be somehow accountable to all of our collective whims or fancies that would end up being really good in the long run.  Can you?</p>
<p>Why subject &#8220;public art&#8221; to this?  </p>
<p>Of course some people will like X and some will not.  What does that tell us?  Nothing about work in question and perhaps a little about us.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Reid</title>
		<link>http://urbanmilwaukee.com/2009/04/02/would-neon-colored-ash-trays-of-been-acceptable/comment-page-1/#comment-20554</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 02:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tom oddly I think you prove my point.  I like like the &quot;ring,&quot; I think it looks nice there.  Not everyone is going to agree on each individual item but the idea of improving public spaces with unique items, art, is what is important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tom oddly I think you prove my point.  I like like the &#8220;ring,&#8221; I think it looks nice there.  Not everyone is going to agree on each individual item but the idea of improving public spaces with unique items, art, is what is important.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Bamberger</title>
		<link>http://urbanmilwaukee.com/2009/04/02/would-neon-colored-ash-trays-of-been-acceptable/comment-page-1/#comment-20549</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Bamberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 21:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t we stop calling it &quot;art&quot;, most of which is really bad, and call it good urban design.  

Can you blame the alderman for being skeptical?

Look at Gordon Park or the ring at the footbridge overlooking Lincoln Memorial Drive.

Art advocates should figure out a way to remove these before arguing that &quot;art is good&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t we stop calling it &#8220;art&#8221;, most of which is really bad, and call it good urban design.  </p>
<p>Can you blame the alderman for being skeptical?</p>
<p>Look at Gordon Park or the ring at the footbridge overlooking Lincoln Memorial Drive.</p>
<p>Art advocates should figure out a way to remove these before arguing that &#8220;art is good&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: KS</title>
		<link>http://urbanmilwaukee.com/2009/04/02/would-neon-colored-ash-trays-of-been-acceptable/comment-page-1/#comment-20501</link>
		<dc:creator>KS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 19:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On quite a few occasions I&#039;ve seen the argument that Janet Zweig&#039;s public art project will reinforce the negative image of Milwaukee as backward and lackluster because it&#039;s retro and not &quot;contemporary&quot; enough. I couldn&#039;t disagree more.

Whatever gets built will have to stand the test of time. Anything &quot;cutting-edge&quot; will, by definition, cease to be so almost immediately after being built. I therefore believe that any public art project should be evaluated on its merits rather than simply by novelty factor. In my opinion, Zweig&#039;s project is interesting, human-scaled, and will almost certainly liven-up areas for pedestrians (isn&#039;t this the goal of the federal project?). If this gets built, I look forward to stopping at the various installations and admiring and examining the animated scenes.

What I find particular particularly bothersome is that over $800,000 dollars gets spend on lighting a free interchange with no controversy (or any perceived need for public input), while a thoughtful public art project made in consultation with the local art community causes such a furore and is cited by many as an anachronistic waste of taxpayer dollars. Perhaps it is the prevalence of parochial attitudes like these (and senseless grandstanding by politicians who seek to halt a project on which much time, consideration, and public money has already been spend) that is more responsible for Milwaukee&#039;s image as backwards and provincial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On quite a few occasions I&#8217;ve seen the argument that Janet Zweig&#8217;s public art project will reinforce the negative image of Milwaukee as backward and lackluster because it&#8217;s retro and not &#8220;contemporary&#8221; enough. I couldn&#8217;t disagree more.</p>
<p>Whatever gets built will have to stand the test of time. Anything &#8220;cutting-edge&#8221; will, by definition, cease to be so almost immediately after being built. I therefore believe that any public art project should be evaluated on its merits rather than simply by novelty factor. In my opinion, Zweig&#8217;s project is interesting, human-scaled, and will almost certainly liven-up areas for pedestrians (isn&#8217;t this the goal of the federal project?). If this gets built, I look forward to stopping at the various installations and admiring and examining the animated scenes.</p>
<p>What I find particular particularly bothersome is that over $800,000 dollars gets spend on lighting a free interchange with no controversy (or any perceived need for public input), while a thoughtful public art project made in consultation with the local art community causes such a furore and is cited by many as an anachronistic waste of taxpayer dollars. Perhaps it is the prevalence of parochial attitudes like these (and senseless grandstanding by politicians who seek to halt a project on which much time, consideration, and public money has already been spend) that is more responsible for Milwaukee&#8217;s image as backwards and provincial.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Reid</title>
		<link>http://urbanmilwaukee.com/2009/04/02/would-neon-colored-ash-trays-of-been-acceptable/comment-page-1/#comment-20471</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 05:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Suzanne Oh it wasn&#039;t the first time, and likely won&#039;t be the last:)  But this one&#039;s on Jeramey for missing it during the proofread:) ok 50/50 fault!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Suzanne Oh it wasn&#8217;t the first time, and likely won&#8217;t be the last:)  But this one&#8217;s on Jeramey for missing it during the proofread:) ok 50/50 fault!</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne</title>
		<link>http://urbanmilwaukee.com/2009/04/02/would-neon-colored-ash-trays-of-been-acceptable/comment-page-1/#comment-20469</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 04:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I caught the grammatical error, but couldn&#039;t find a way to PM Dave (so I could tell him without embarrassing him).
Just for the record.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I caught the grammatical error, but couldn&#8217;t find a way to PM Dave (so I could tell him without embarrassing him).<br />
Just for the record.  <img src='http://urbanmilwaukee.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dave Reid</title>
		<link>http://urbanmilwaukee.com/2009/04/02/would-neon-colored-ash-trays-of-been-acceptable/comment-page-1/#comment-20428</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 19:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alex I just disagree.  Why not have a diversity of art.  All sorts of different references and ideas.  The jumble the mixture to some extent is part of the fun, part of the intrigue, part of the vibrancy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alex I just disagree.  Why not have a diversity of art.  All sorts of different references and ideas.  The jumble the mixture to some extent is part of the fun, part of the intrigue, part of the vibrancy.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://urbanmilwaukee.com/2009/04/02/would-neon-colored-ash-trays-of-been-acceptable/comment-page-1/#comment-20417</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we will be putting art on our streets, please lets make it contemporary art and not that classic old style. Its 21st century out there. In Europe there is everything contemporary and looks nice. When you walk down their streets you feel like there is life going on because everything is blinking and bright and modern. Lets make our cities modern as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we will be putting art on our streets, please lets make it contemporary art and not that classic old style. Its 21st century out there. In Europe there is everything contemporary and looks nice. When you walk down their streets you feel like there is life going on because everything is blinking and bright and modern. Lets make our cities modern as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These alderman should be embarrassed by their actions. To halt a thoughtful, pedestrian-scaled piece of art is a sad statement for where we are as a city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These alderman should be embarrassed by their actions. To halt a thoughtful, pedestrian-scaled piece of art is a sad statement for where we are as a city.</p>
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